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never see. what we found is a lot of people don't care as well. if you're insured, some people may not even open the hospital bill. but there are about 50 million people uninsured out there and they care very much about hospital bills like this. and what you can do is you can call the hospital and get a detailed breakdown. while you're on the phone with the hospital, if the costs still seem too high or just hard to understand, you might be able to negotiate some of these prices down. >> all right. ali velshi. >> i'm ali velshi. i'll be with you for the next two hours today and this two hours every day. i'll try to take every important topic we cover and break it down for you. giving you a level of detail that's going to help you make important decisions about, well, obviously your health, your taxes, your student loans and your security. let's get started. here's what i've got right now. a massive health care overhaul is on its way to becoming a law of the land. so, what now? we've heard from the politicians. now it's time to focus on you.
how will health care reform affect your health care, your costs, and your access to care? we're going to break it all down and talk to experts about it. plus, there's another part of the bill out there that's important for anyone who's going to college, been to college, or supporting a college student. it would boost grants to millions of students and make uncle sam a one-stop shop for relatively cheap student loans. it's making private lenders a little worried, though. your name, your birthday, hometown, seemingly innocent information. so how does someone use it to determine things like your social security number, or even your sexual orientation? you won't look at your privacy the same way again. stick around to listen to this. when your grandkids study american history, they will spend a week on the past 24 hours, and the days and weeks to come. since last we spoke, a historic overhaul of the health care system squeaked through the house of representatives, literally, and now awaits the president's signature sometime tomorrow.
but that, of course, is not the end of the story. or the end of the voting. here's why. the house passed the health reform bill on christmas eve. you'll remember that. that was the senate passed it on christmas eve. that's that one. it then went through a series of changes that most house democrats never would have voted for. the senate bill without. so the senate has to pass those changes. this is so-called -- this is called the reconciliation process. but it can't even start until the first bill, which got passed last night, gets signed into law, which is probably going to happen tomorrow. assuming that all goes as planned, opponents, by which i mean republicans and others, still have options. they can try to repeal the reform in congress, in the courts and try to block the federal efforts in state legislatures. we'll break down those options later in this hour. but first, one more look at the sound and fury that capped a full year of sound and fury. listen to this.
>> my colleagues cheered that this bill is paid for. they ignored the fact that it is our children who will pay for their greed. my colleagues shame us for scaring the american people about the contents of this bill. we know the consequences of this bill will be frightening and horrible. freedom dies a little bit today. unfortunately some are celebrating. >> this bill is a fiscal franken stein, a government takeover. it's not democratic. mr. speaker, my colleagues, it is not too late to get it right. let's start over. let's defeat this bill. >> i regret the fact that my republican friends are not standing with us. i regret the fact that they deliberately tried to obstruct this process. but you know what, the republicans opposed social security, they opposed medicare, they were on the wrong side of history then, they're on the
wrong side of history today. >> this may be the most important vote that we cast as members of this body. we have a moral obligation today, tonight, to make health care a right and not a privilege. there are those who have told us to start over. there are those who have told us to wait and told us to be patient. we cannot wait. we cannot be patient. the american people need health care, and they need it now. >> on this vote, the yeas are 220. the nays are 211. the bill is passed. >> tonight's vote is not a victory for any one party. it's a victory for them. it's a victory for the american people. and it's a victory for common sense. >> i consider this to be the civil rights act of the 21st century. because i do believe that this is the one fundamental right that this country had been
wrestling with now for almost 100 years. i think tonight we took a giant step toward the establishment of a more perfect union. >> with all that in mind, let's start drafting that history book i talked about. joining me to talk about the impact, the fallout, the future of health care reform, cnn political analyst roland martin, david gergen and gloria borger. we were watching david and gloria late into the night as they tried to make sense of this. as that history was unfolding. david, it really, one way or the other, wherever you stood on this, it was very clear from the republicans, and from the democrats, that they were all aware that history was being made last night. >> sure was. that was the first rough draft last night, ali. i think we know today, even as the ink starts to dry, that there are going to be more chapters yet to come. this is a very polarized nation still. the president is going to set on this blitz, go out to iowa on
thursday to convince people, you know, this is a good idea. at the same time, of course, the republicans feel they have the bit in the teeth. and they're going to keep pushing and pulling to see if they can't derail this before it finally gets passed. i think that's unlikely. but more importantly, win the fight for november and see if they can't roll back some of these provisions. >> i guess that's the key part. you said that was a rough night last night. gloria, the president's got to sign it. but really, what's going to matter is how this leads up to november. and whether americans say as john boehner and the republicans have said, that they have put their foot in the face of americans. they have gone against what people want. gloria, when you listen to john boehner and listen to nancy pelosi last night or any combination of republicans and democrats, you might have thought they were talking about two different things, two different bills. >> completely different things. it shows you how polarized the congress is. and it shows you the differences in the way they think about the role of government. what's really interesting about this, if you look at this
historically, you have just passed the plan, a health care plan that depends more and more on government. yet you have an american public that trusts government less, at any time than it has since watergate. it's lower, in fact, than it was during watergate. this is a big risk for this administration. and what they're banking on is that once people get to see what's in this bill, and there are going to be some things people are going to like coming down the pike within the next three to six months, that once they start seeing some of those things, they're going to say, gee, not so bad. and republicans will have a very difficult time, they believe, putting the genie back in the bottle. do you want to repeal, for example, an enhanced medicare prescription drug benefit for seniors? do you want to repeal something that eliminates lifetime caps on your health insurance policies? you know, those kinds of things are going to be hard to take away from people. so they're banking very much on
different sides of history here. and each of them believes the public in the end will side with them. >> roland, you haven't heard from you yet. hold that thought, i know it's going to be good. we've got to pay the bills. stay right there, the three of you. when we come back, roland, i want to hear how they'll sell this thing and how the test run's going to work and what your thoughts are. we're not going to finish this conversation. we'll continue talking about the real cost of reform financial and otherwise when we come back. we love getting our outback dirty. because it seems like the dirtier it gets, the more it shines. the subaru outback®. motor trend's 2010 sport/utility of the year®. hurry in to the subaru love spring event for great deals on all models. now through march 31st.
health care the day after. we'll break down what this means for your insurance, access to doctors, your costs. but there's a big, big consequence politically to what happened last night. we haven't heard from you yet this morning, roland, or this afternoon. tell us your thoughts. >> gloria talked about this distrust in government. but we must understand, one of
the reasons there's so much distrust is because both sides have painted the other as being so corrupt. and so we forget the fact that this country is still split in so many different ways. we look at all these different polls. republicans saying americans don't want this. the reality is, in many ways, it's 50/50. i don't buy the notion that democrats are the only ones who are going to be in trouble going into november. when it comes to health care. you're going to have republicans who are also going to have to defend why they would not support the uninsured. here's the other thing that really jumps out. we talk as if this election in november is sort of like november 2008. it is not a national election. in it there are small elections. there are congressional elections. and so what plays nationally may be a lot different than that particular congressional district. so the dynamics will be a heck of a lot different. >> let's think about this. because we do have polling that people indicate they are mad at
both parties. what do you think of government involvement in health care under the democrats' bill? 56% of respondents said too much. 16% said not enough. and about 28% said about right. so, you know, a bit of a plurality for the too much, gloria. what does that mean? >> that's president obama's problem. i mean, he's got to convince people, not that republicans and democrats can work for you, but that the government bureaucracy can work for you. and can make things better for you. and people just don't trust that. you know, they don't like the irs. so that's the example that's thrown around. but that's the crux of the problem that barack obama has. and let me disagree with roland a little bit. i do think that this first midterm election for this new president will be a national election. the republicans are going to nationalize it. there are over 50 members who came in really new on barack obama's coattails. many of them in swing districts. and a lot of them we saw last
night voted with barack obama on this health care bill. and that could really, really hurt them. >> david? >> ali -- >> hold on a second -- >> the same pole you cited -- >> go ahead, please. roland, please. >> the same poll that ali cited, americans trust president barack obama more on health care. so the problem here is, the 56% say it's too much. but more americans trust the president on this. so it's really going to be his job to sell this to get them to rally behind him. >> david, a lot of people is saying that's why we got to where we are, because the president took a different approach and sold it. many saying this is like social security, medicare and there are some people saying this is the worst thing that happened to america. they've got to square the circle somehow, david. >> they do. i come down to where gloria is arguing here. let me make a different point. there are all these advances, and yes, people are going to wake up and see that they --
this year, they don't have their children who are going to be okay, even if they have preconditions, that's going to be helpful to the president. and there are other elements in this bill that are going to be very helpful. but it's also true that people are now going to be looking to the government as responsible for their general condition of their health care. and premiums are going to continue to go up this year, ali. there are employers who are going to continue to lay off people because it's too expensive. there are employers who are going to say, i can just put employees over in this pool. and people are going to say, i thought the government was protecting me now. and that protection is not going to be there. >> right. >> in some ways, i think both sides have oversold this. the republicans have argued that socialism -- and socialism people are going to wake up and see it's not there. the democrats sold this as there's way too much suffering. and tomorrow morning the suffering will be over. and it's not going to be over.
>> you know -- >> this is a painful period. >> and the great fear. >> when you pass social security and medicare, people knew exactly who that was going to affect and how it was going to affect them. medicare, you're over 65, whatever, it's going to help you out. when you pass this health care reform, it's so huge. people are scratching their heads. that's why we're trying to explain it. >> you've teed me up very nicely for that, gloria, because we'll get into specific discussions. roland will come back later and talk about the students affected by this. there's a whole part of this bill that affected students. we're going to talk about costs and benefits. thanks to all three of you. it was really great to watch you through this whole process. as david said, it's just the first wrap. we'll do a lot more talking about this. >> it was so tough on david, he came with no tie. >> the aka usa approach. >> thanks to all three of you
for being here. when we come back, we'll talk about how we're actually going to pay for this health care reform. who is really footing the bill for it? and you might not care who's footing the bill, but it has implications for our economy. cnn money.com's poppy harlow and economist mark are joining us with a look at the bottom line of this health care bill when we come back. they drive it in the real world. and put it through its paces. they rate its fit and finish. and the amenities inside. they factor in purchase price and operating costs, fuel economy and resale value. in short, they do what you do to test its quality. the consumers digest best buys from chevy. put them to your own test. and may the best car win.
the economy. cnn money.com's poppy harlow joins us from new york with a breakdown of who's footing the bill and mark zandi from moody's economy.com in westchester, pennsylvania, has got the broader picture and implications for that. poppy, quite simply, who's paying for this thing? >> we are -- it's going to come through taxes to a number of americans. you heard john boehner talking about late last night before the final vote, because this is money that we currently don't have. a lot of it is going to come from taxes. the biggest revenue raiser, ali, is going to be a higher tax on medicare for people that are these high earners. make $200,000 a year for individuals, or couples making $250,000 or more. let's give you an example so you can actually understand what's happening. right now, those high earners currently pay over $3,600 a year. just in medicare taxes a year. this will bring this up to $4,075. here's another increase.
a 3.8% new medicare tax on those people's investment income, like interest and dividends. the first time we've seen a tax like that. the majorities of people, though, ali, to be fair, are not considered high earners in this country, so those medicare taxes are not going to change at all. another big thing that is going to pay for this is a tax on what you know has been called the cadillac health care plans. this was in the senate version. it was watered down in the house version passed last night. this will raise about $32 billion over the next ten years. this doesn't even kick in until 2018. here's an example. a tax on insurance companies that offer these high-priced plans, for individuals plans over $10200 a year. the idea, ali, it's pretty clear here, if you tax the insurance companies for offering these high-end plans, that's going to incentivize them to offer cheaper plans. the thinking here is people generally buy more coverage than
they need. those are two big taxes that you're going to need to pay for. >> they buy more insurance with it as opposed to using that saving. that's an interesting fact. while the tax is on insurance companies, the general belief is that will get passed on -- >> passed down, exactly. >> thank you very much. poppy harlow, anchor with cnn money.com. it's full of information about this. let's go to mark zandi, the chief economist. let's talk about this for a second. the extra taxes hit what we largely believe is the top 5% of earners, or top 5% of families. that's always been in the -- in president obama's sights ever since he was campaigning. he said 95% of americans won't see increases in taxes. the top 5% will. for now he's just keeping his promise. >> yeah. that's exactly right. that's where the money is. so if you want to generate revenue, that's where you have to increase taxes. they hit very high-income,
high-net worth households. >> the increase going in on income that you don't earn from working, they're taxing dividends and investment income and rental property income and things like that. is there some negative effect that comes from taxing people at the highest income scale of this country to pay for something like this? >> sure. there are negative consequences to that. obviously it raises the cost of investing. so high-income households may not put as much money into stocks and bonds and other things that ultimately drive the growth in the economy. but having said that, i think these increases are small enough that they won't have that large -- a negative impact. >> what do you think, mark, the positive economic impact is on giving people what i might call mobility in their jobs, the fact that people will be able to have health insurance and move around in jobs, even if they've got preexisting conditions? is that going to hurt the economy? >> that's an intangible. if you would tell me how many jobs that would create, i couldn't tell you.
but that's a near-term positive. if i get covered for preexisting conditions, and i'm not as fearful about leaving my existing job, which i may not like, and i can go to another job where i will be more productive, that will increase the mobility in the labor force. that is actually one of the greatest strengths of the american economy and why the american economy pulls out of a recession faster. this will only help that mobility. >> mark, you've made a name for yourself in sort of looking at proposals from both sides of the aisle and trying to make sense of them. on balance, what do you think of the economics of this health care plan? what's the long-term effect on the country? >> i would have voted for it if i were a congressman. we're insuring the uninsured and we reasonably paid for it. the one big down side, if i were king for the day, that i would have worked on here, there's nothing in this legislation that will reduce the long-term growth in health care costs. and that's what we need to do to address our long-term fiscal
problems. we're never going to get our deficits down in the long run if we don't reduce health care costs. the bottom line is we're going to have to address this. >> coverage of the uninsured and health care costs. hopefully the government sets its seth to the health care cost side of it. let me get a check on the top stories at cnn right now. four new suspects under arrest in a house party massacre in juarez, mexico, that left 15 people dead. they now have a total of seven suspects in custody in the january killings. most of the victims were students with no ties to organized crime. tiger woods has admitted he was living a lie, telling espn he alone is responsible for the sex scandal that's kept him off the links since november. he's rededicating himself to buddhism and meditation as he returns to the masters tournament next month. former president bill clinton and former president bush are traveling to haiti to
meet with government officials and relief workers. the quake killed more than 200,000 people. when we come back, we're revisiting health care. we're doing it all afternoon and doing it in a way that's relevant to you. how will the new reforms affect your access to health care and will that depend on how much money you make. elizabeth cohen will be with us in a moment to make sense of it for you.
listen, we are going to talk about the stuff that matters to you. we're talking about the pol tings of health care. for so long, elizabeth cohen is here, the truth is, the politics, the reconciliation, the number of people voting, it's been interesting to watch. but this is what people care about. my cost and my access. >> what this means to them, right. absolutely. what this really means, this means a lot to people who earn in the 30 to $85,000 range. that's because that's where the
subsidies are going. let's take a look at that. we have examples. this is courtesy of the kaiser family foundation. this is in today's dollars, you make $30,000, insurance policy would cost you about $9,435. >> not through work, private insurance. >> that's important to say. if it's through work, that's a whole other thing. so with the subsidies that are part of this bill, you're going to end up paying $954. so that's a huge subsidy you can see right there. and that's for a family of four, where you're making $30,000. now, let's change it a bit, so instead this family of four is making $85,000. the insurance policy is going to cost them the same. that doesn't change. but they're going to have to pay -- it's much smaller. they're going to have to pay about $8,000. so the subsidy is much smaller. that subsidy is still there. this whole notion of government subsidies is different. >> you're just not getting any -- >> anything over $85,000, you're
getting very little, if anything. >> over $200,000, you're paying, because they're taxing you on other things i just discussed with mark zandi. >> that's right. >> there's cost and then this big question about access. are you talking about that now or how does this affect your access to health care? >> these subsidies affect your access. because some of these people couldn't afford it without the subsidies. that's important to note. the second thing important to talk about is the community-based health centers. there's a lot of money in this bill for those. so right now, the way it would work is that with this bill, it would send about $15,000 primary care physicians into these areas that don't have them. >> yeah. >> so that's going to increase access as well. >> have you heard a lot of doctors saying as a result of this, they're going to stop taking medicare or they're going to stop serving in underserved population because they're going to get served somewhere else? >> i think they're taking a wait-and-see attitude. some doctors have said i don't want to deal with medicaid anymore. i think they do pretty much deal with medicare. i think they're taking a
wait-and-see attitude. if you've got millions of people on these subsidies, i have a hard time imagining they would say no. >> more people in the system. >> right. >> that should, from my business perspective, make the system more efficient. if you have more people that the insurance companies are covering, paying premiums, that should help the system. but for people who are working, we've seen over and over in the last few weeks they're still going to see increases in premiums in the next few years. >> if you get insurance through your employer, the congressional business office says, this legislation isn't going to be a huge change for you. but you and i know we've seen premium hikes all the way through. i think that that, according to the cbo, will probably not change. >> and one of the things you brought up, and the economists i just talked to, brought up, this bill deals very well with coverage of a lot of people who weren't covered, it hasn't gone that far yet with respect to costs. >> costs are skyrocketing out of control. everybody agrees on that. and there hasn't been a good plan for what you do about that.
well, what do you do about the doctor who's constantly prescribing mris, even when it's not necessary. that's not 100% taken care of. >> more people are insured, those costs, sanjay did a piece on it, you've done it, the remarkable costs that -- >> $100 tylenol. >> theoretically that should go down, too? the hospital isn't having to subsidize by charging you ten times as much or 20 times as much. >> theoretically if they have people coming in who are paying rather than people not paying, they won't have to charge $100 for tylenol. i don't know, if they've gotten away with it for this long, they might continue doing it. >> you'll be with us later in the show. we'll stay on this and talk about this health care bill affects you. all right. health care and higher education. in that bill that was passed last night, there was another component and it was about student loans. it could mean huge changes for the way that college kids and uncle sam pay down their debt. when we come back, we're going
the economy recover. you may have not realized there was a big student loan component to this bill passed. roland was involved in the coverage last night, was one of the people who really picked up on this and said let's talk about the student loan part. some people criticize it saying the student loan part was just put into the bill because it will actually have huge savings. it brings the overall cost of the health care bill down. you decide that for yourself. let's actually talk about what it is. right now the government provides about $31 billion in student loans. the private enterprise banks provide about $67 billion. in many cases they're guaranteed by the government. but really, you can see the private enterprise gives about twice as many loans as the government does. now, the plan according to the bill last night is basically for the government to rub out the middle man, to stop sort of subsidizing or guaranteeing these loans and be the lender directly to people with loans. and in doing that, in cutting out the middle man, what happens
when you cut out the middle man? you save money. the congressional budget office predicts that this bill will save $61 billion over ten years. $61 billion. now, let's talk about how that $61 billion becomes relevant to you. of the $61 billion in savings over ten years, $36 billion will be redirected into pell grants. $4 billion will go to historically black colleges. and here's the rub, $19 billion of the savings, one-third of the savings, will go toward deficit reduction. and those health care costs. so basically, more pell grants, more money for historically black colleges, but it disproportionately brings down the cost of this health care bill, which is why some people say there's a student component in the health care bill. the bottom line is, these are the effects of that bill. the other thing is loan repayments, when it comes time to pay your loan back, loan repayments will be capped at 10%
of your monthly income. right now it's 15%. there will also be annual increases in the maximum pell grant amount. as you know, education costs increase faster than inflation does, so they're trying to p ke the same pace of inflation. roland, here you go. that was what i was talking about. there we go. roland, give me your thoughts on this. you were pretty fired up about it. >> well, i've been covering this for the last several months on my tv one show in the morning. because, you know, it really is an important issue. we saw a couple of weeks ago, protests in 33 states by students angry with the rising costs of tuition. and so one of the problems you've been hearing is, look, because of the credit freeze with these banks, students were not getting the same access to private loans. >> right. >> now, banks were saying, oh, no, it's saving jobs. but you made a point that was critical. and that is, we the taxpayer are subsidizing these loans.
banks are getting upwards of $9 billion a year. secondly, if a student defaults, we are still responsible. so the banks, frankly, are a pass-through. so that's really the difference here, and so the federal government was already providing student loans anyway. right now some 2,300 universities are participating in the direct student loan program from the department of education, according to the obama administration up to 1,000 colleges a few years ago. so if you're a high school student, if you're a parent, someone in college, at the end of the day you get more money. but also, we can't leave out the public service component. the president's been saying as oh possessioned to honoring people, we'll pay for your education if you work on an indian reservation or whatever, we'll cut ten years of your student loans off. we want more teachers. right. >> we talked about it on many fronts when it comes to government regulators and the financial industry, how do you get people to actually work in the public service when they don't make as much as they do in
private industry. if you can come out with less of a student loan burden, it can really affect your career choices. >> absolutely. so we're trying to push people to become excellent teachers. we want them in public service. this is an incentive to actually do so. the debt that students are bearing is tremendous across this country. capping that number is vital. you say why was it in the health care bill. beyond the fact of the savings cost, you also had the problem because you had democratic senators, about six of them, who were blocking this. so the political standpoint, you put it under the health care bill, we to try to get this thing passed. the banks wanted to keep the subsidy. i'm sorry, i agree with the position, it is not a democratic position or republican position, or independent, it is about trying to get more money to the students. >> what's the danger in the government getting involved in
businesses that we think sometimes the private enterprise can do better? we're cutting out the banks and the government now the lender to the students. >> we were already in this. so as your graphics show, we're already providing student loans. as a taxpayer, we're already assuming all of the risk. and so if we're going to assume all of the risk, we might as well assume all of the benefit. and so that's really what it boils down to. also, we saw in the military, there was this whole attitude in the '80s and '90s of privatizing everything, saying, oh, they can do everything better. we saw cost overruns and corruption in government. we see the exact same thing in the private entity. you don't think everybody can be provided to private enterprise. why give them a $9 billion subsidy when we have all the risk anyway. >> that's a good point. roland, i'm glad you brought it up. i'm glad you wanted to talk about this. we wanted to discuss it, but it's always great to discuss it
with someone who knows it as well as you do. when we come back, trouble on the tarmac in britain. maybe you've heard about this. maybe it affected one of your flights, maybe it didn't. but hundreds of flights, thousands of travelers disrupted by a cabin cruise strike. guess what, another one is on its way. richard quest live in london. nobody knows more about airlines than he does. he'll tell us whether we should be worried about this.
this afternoon, they bashed each other for over a year until british airways finally told the airline to stow it. they're wrapping up the first of several planned strikes over b.a.'s plans to save money by cutting salaries, staffing levels and perks. hundreds of flights canceled over the last few days, making for some very ticked-off travelers. richard quest, my fellow frequent flier, knows exactly what that is like. i don't want to ask you if your travel was affected by this. tell us what we need to know about it. >> well, this is basically a nasty, bitter and deep strike, between british airways cabin group who believe they've been badly done to by changes that the airlines introduced, and british airways, the airline, which says these changes are necessary, because of the deep recession. it has to become more effective. it has to become more efficient. a three-day strike that started on saturday. here's the interesting thing,
ali, b.a. was determined to beat the strike. what they did is they hired in charter planes, put passengers on other airlines. and they retrained volunteers to act as cabin crew. now, b.a. says they managed to get out about 50% to 60% of their flight. the unions say it was a lot less than that. that is a straightforward he says/she says argument. but i can tell you, b.a. has been flying. >> what was the point of these splitting these strikes over weekends, the next one is going to be over easter? >> reporter: yeah, i suppose -- now, remember, b.a. nearly had a 12-day strike over christmas that had the public up in arms. this is going to be just before east easter. the idea is to ratchet up the pressure but not hit people at their worst moment when they're on their easter break. it's a strategy. but there's one other thing to remember. b.a. has told their flight attendants who have gone on strike, they have now lost all
their travel perks for life. >> which is a big deal. you've got great travel perks. >> reporter: you get free flights and flights 90% discount. a lot of cabin crew have lost those permanently. >> let's talk about the other airlines. there are strikes affecting in various forms, italyia, port you greez, what's going on? >> reporter: iceland maintenance workers are on strike. pilots, italian cabin crew and pilots as well. i think what's happening is, they've seen -- they've gone through the recession but they still haven't quite accepted the necessity of the change that's taken place. i think ha is different. i'm not taking sides here. and i'm treading carefully, so neither you or i do take sides here. but if i look at what happened in the u.s. system, a lot of the u.s. airlines either went into chapter 11 and restructured, so they came into the recession leaner and meaner, or we had delta northwest merging, or they
went out of business. quite a few u.s. carriers simply disappeared. that has not happened in europe. they've either been bailed out. they've either kept flying. they've either run up huge losses. and now it's time to pay the price. >> right. >> reporter: and of course, that is simply not being allowed to take place. >> because it's happened here already, we're not likely to see a contagion effect catching on in the united states, do you agree with that? >> reporter: look, i think if you talk to anybody in the u.s. airlines where they lost their pensions, already taken a pay freeze, may have gone on furlough and come back again, they would say to you, we've done the damage. we've had the pain. but they knew somehow that lemings go over the cliff and suicide is not a painless option. >> come visit us more often. richard quest means business on cnn international. if you think your facebook or myspace page isn't giving too
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and one of your greatest risks is private information, information as simple as your birthplace could put your identity at risk. and is this why. internet crime costs have doubled. check out these numbers, we went from $265 to $595 for internet crimes. this is scary. last year, two researchers say they were able to predict millions of social security numbers based solely on your full name, birthplace and birth date. the social security administration says we shouldn't be worried about the research, but they worried enough to change the way social security numbers are actually assigned. and this just -- this past month, netflix dropped a contest to help the company better identify customer preferences. it was a follow-up contest to one that netflix did a couple years ago. they posted customer ratings that they said had been stripped of all customer identification. but two researches were able to identify some of the customers, simply by linking large
databases together. so here's the risk. even if you remove your name, your e-mail address and your birth date from your online profiles, and you have many of them, everything can be tracked on line. birthday wishes from your family, vacations you take. last year, two m.i.t. researchers did a sexual orientation study prediction on facebook based solely on your friends. the two researchers are live with us. we'll talk with them after the break about what you need to do to keep your information safe. stay with us.
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let's talk more about how your personal information can be used to find out things about you, particularly on a social networking site. let's bring in the coauthor from a m.i.t. study, getting his phd at stanford. and carter, a software developer. guys, you used your study. just let me know if this is clear. you went on facebook, and basically from people's information on there figured out their sexual orientation. is that basically it? >> yes, sir. absolutely. in essence, what we were trying to test is the age-old adage, birds of a feather flock together and apply it to the digital age. and is our research showed that based on your friends online, we could infer information about you, whether you disclosed that information about yourself or not.
>> carter, is that particularly scientific? because i guess you could sort of figure it out when you look at things like that or figure out where somebody is from, based on where their largest concentration of friends is, or where they went to college, even if they didn't put that on. was this sort of a mystery to you? >> i think what was novel about our research is that we've really shown that this birds of a feather phenomenon applies in online communities, even when people don't publicly disclose information. so if your profile had basically no information and it was very bare-bones, just by seeing who you're associated with, we could certain learn significant information about you. >> let's take it beyond sexual orientation. where else could you be vulnerable about people learning things you didn't feel like you wanted to have known on facebook, for instance? >> that's a great question. >> go ahead. >> there's emerging work that's adjusting that similar information could be found about
political affiliations, religious affiliations, income bracket, those kinds of things. so there's nothing to suggest that this work is just specific to sexual orientation. in reality, for this type of network data, you could have lots of privacy risks associated across a gamut of different traits. >> carter, if i were gay, i may not want to say that on facebook, but it may not matter if that information was out there. if i say i'm from atlanta, it may not matter. where is line to protect information you don't want out there? should i be on facebook if i don't want people to know where i live, where i shop, who my friends are or what my sexual orientation is? is it just too much information to be able to protect yourself? >> right. and it's -- become very difficult to keep all of that information private. and so as part of ow research, we were very interested in raising awareness in these sort of surprising risks with online
privacy. so as i said, again, a lot of people think oh, well, our research doesn't apply, because, you know, i don't have any information on my own profile. >> right. b >> but we were are interested in raising awareness, even if you think you have done the best job of keeping information private, that may not be the case. >> there's a quote in your study from scott abrams, the creator of dill bert. is that really going to be the solution? >> perhaps it is. but just so that you know, even if you're very uninteresting to the average person, you're very interesting to different companies. so there's a real financial incentive for these -- for lots of large companies to have information about for marketing and other types of purposes. so whether or not you're very uninteresting to the average person, you're very interesting
to, say, an advertiser. >> carter, any conclusions here about how we should behave online? >> i think, really, being aware of the fact that any actions you take online, you know, can have unintended privacy consequences. and so, again, it's this awareness that we think is really important. >> but you're not advocating that people don't put information in, you're saying they should know what it is. >> i mean, i think it's going to be up to each person's own decision. i think disconnecting yourself entirely from technology is going to have its own consequences, just as well as connecting yourself with technology has consequences. and so, you know, full disclosure and being fully aware is definitely a very good first step. >> great study, guys. we were chopping off little bits of this technology, privacy issue to understand it better. thanks for helping us. byron mystery is one of the coauthors and the other carter jurnegan. thanks for joining us, guys. back to health care for a
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well-being, telling you what the health care bill means for you. plus, it's home to some of the greatest minds in the nation, but it seems everyone at cornell university cannot wrap their heads around a tragic trend. a rash of suicides has the campus reeling. a campus that is supposed to be a model of suicide prevention. what went wrong? and tiger woods' first interview since the scandal that rocked his pro official and private world. we'll tell you what he talked about and didn't. president obama is set to sign the legislation into law, but several states are gearing up to block the changes in a legal battle over state sovereignty. look at this map. all of the 36 states highlighted in red have done something in an attempt to limit or even block the effects of the federal bill that was passed last night. state legislators in these areas say they are working to reinforce states' rights. so far, only two states, idaho and virginia, have enacted laws, while arizona is seeking voter approval on the november ballot
to block the bill. and just moments ago, florida attorney general bill mccollum announced that he, along with attorneys general from south carolina, nebraska, texas, utah, pennsylvania, washington, north and south dakota and alabama will file a suit against the federal government if president obama signs the health care bill into law, which he's expected to do tomorrow. in idaho, governor c.l. butch otter signed a bill last week, allowing the states attorney general there to file a lawsuit as well. how are these states to allowed to fight federal reform? many are leaning on the tenth amendment, which says powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states. state legislators say that's proof that the u.s. government can't set their health care laws. all right. it's pretty clear how this health care reform will affect tense of millions of uninsured americans. they'll now have access to care.
of course, everyone else wants to know if their costs are going to change and their access with doctors in greater demand. now that 32 million more people are going to be in the mix. so back with us this hour is our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen and senior political analyst, roland martin in chicago. liz, let's start with you. you've been following this cost issue very closely. tell us what you've learned. >> all right. let's break it down into three categories. and three categories and types of people in order to say what it means to you. so let's take a look at this first category. what is going to happen to your premiums if you have insurance through your employer? and most americans who have insurance have it through their employer. if that is your situation, your premiums, what you pay on an annual basis for your insurance, are going to remain approximately the same. according to the congressional budget office. but now take a look at this. if you're somewhere who buys insurance on their own, you don't get it through your employer, and if you are making more than $88,000, your premiums
will likely go up. and now let's look at our third group here. if you are getting insurance on your own, got through your employer, and you are making less than $88,000, your premiums are likely to go down, because the government is going to be subsidizing your premiums. so that's sort of the crude breakdown of how this is going to work, as far as how it affects your wallet. >> roland, folks you're speaking to, is that working the way they would hope it would work? >> well, again, i mean, you have people who are saying that who is going to pay for it? you also have folks who are saying that, look, taxpayers, especially those making more money, are already paying for health insurance. when you look at the rising costs in cities and counties when they jack up sales tax and property tax to cover the uninsured going to county hospitals. so the question now is will county governments have to
increase taxes as a result if americans are now going to be covered? and so look, you're paying either way. >> remember last summer when i was in chicago, and you sort of hooked me up to talk to people about health care, one of the big issues in had chicago was, like you said, emergency rooms being used by people for regular course of health care, because they didn't have the insurance that allowed them to go to a doctor. elizabeth, do the provisions of this bill, by helping more people get health care, mean that we are likely to see an increase in pressure on emergency rooms, or a decrease? >> theoretically, it would be a decrease. and here's why. the way it works now, if you don't have insurance, you're going to show up at the emergency room, just like you said, ally, for basic kinds of things, because you know they have to take you, will not turn you away. so if all of a sudden these 32 million people have a regular doctor, just a regular family doctor to go to, they won't need to go to the emergency room, which, one, clogs up emergency rooms when they go there, and two, emergency rooms are
expensive. you don't want to go there, because you have a sore throat. it drives up the cost. so theoretically, this will decrease wait times in emergency rooms. those wait times have been going up, up, up, over the last couple years. >> you also have lots of money -- >> hold on one second. you remember last night hearing this comment when bart stupak the congressman was speaking, we heard a voice yelling "baby killer." we have some developments honor whose voice we were hearing. brianna, what have we got? >> republican congressman randy naugabauer has come out and said he is the one who said this. we should mention though, he explains he is saying, "it's a baby killer" and not calling him a baby killer. he said last night was the climax on weeks of a bill that we do not support.
i exclaimeded the phrase "it's a baby killer" in reference to the agreement reached by the democratic leadership. he goes on to say, while i remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, i deeply regret my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to the congressman himself. we were there last night in the chamber, and it was unmistakable you heard this, although he's saying he said "it's a baby killer" instead. but this is something that just sent a hush over the entire chamber. you heard democrats kind of -- someone yells, what -- "who said that?" and it created quite the commotion, and really evoekd this kind of feeling the same kind of thing that when congressman joe wilson yelled "you lie" at president obama. that's what a lot of people were comparing it to. >> any rules we know that sort of prevent that thing from happening? or was it just the kind of thing he said? in other words, can he face any consequence for saying that? using that kind of language in the house? >> you know, i don't know the --
i'm not an expert on it. so i don't want to go too much out on a limb. but i suspect that he could. it is certainly considered a breach of decorum, certainly something the democrats could take issue with. >> right. >> on whether they're going to, they aren't so far at this point. >> has he apologized? is. >> he is saying that he is -- he says he regrets that his actions were mistakenly interpreted. he says -- he goes on to say, ally, i have apologized to mr. stupak and also my colleagues. the house chamber is a place of decorum and respect. the timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate. this was a paper statement. so we're still waiting to see if that's enough for democrats. >> brianna, let us know what you get. i want to talk to roland for a second. there's this comment and then the comments made that we heard about as a number of representatives, including john lewis, a civil rights leader u went into the house on saturday by protesters who had "kill the bill" signs and chanting "kill
the bill," issuing racial slurs about people. there is something disturbing i think to most people about the lack of decorum that's been going on in the last few days. >> right. and i'm sick and tired of people, analysts and other commentators saying, well, emotions are running high. no. learn to conduct yourself with respect. it's no different than when you have people on the left who were yelling just ridiculous, stupid things about bush. this is absolutely -- makes no sense whatsoever. and so you can have a -- you can have a civil conversation, we can have a disagreement, and frankly, this congressman is an embarrassment to text ann's like myself. >> when we come, we talked about cost of health care. and when we come back, we're going to turn our attention to access. are you still going to be able to get in to see your doctor or get to your emergency room now that there are all sorts of people who are going insurance who didn't before you? stay with us. we'll discuss that. nk that travels with you.
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john king usa premiers want to with john king, as you might have guessed. he's talking to victoria kennedy, the widow of senator edward kennedy who died last august. obviously, health care was his life's work. so that will be an interesting discussion. john king tonight, and lots of examination about health care. we are also right now looking at some of the changes of this health care reform bill and what it will bring and how it will affect you. let's talk about access to care.
with tens of millions of people flooding the insurance rolls, will they be swamping your doctors' office or hospital? let's bring in our senior medical correspondent, lelizabeh cohen and roland martin. elizabeth, we talked about emergency rooms and the effect that all of these people who are now going to be insured will have. in theory, i sort of agree with you, we should see less pressure on emergency rooms, because people won't be using them as their normal doctors' offices, hopefully, or fewer people will. but those people will be using doctors' offices. so does that mean we're going to have a tougher time getting an appointment from doctors or seeing more doctors? >> you know, it's interesting. we asked a panel of experts this. the experts who like this legislation say, oh, don't worry about it, everything is going to be fine, you're not going to have a hard time getting an appointment with your doctor, just because we're bringing in 32 million people. and the folks who don't like this say, oh my goodness, you are just going to have to wait weeks for a doctors appointment. but let me explain first the mechanism that brings in all of these people. one of the big things that this bill does is it subsidizes
insurance for people who are having a hard time buying -- getting it in the first place. so, for example, family of four making $30,000, to buy in a policy now is nearly $10,000. well, they're going to get subsidies so that instead of paying $10,000, they're only going to have to pay about $1,000. so you can see that that really brings more people into the fold. and those subsidies exist for families that make up to about $88,000. so here you see the subsidies for folks who make $30,000. that's a lot. if you make $85,000, the assistance isn't nearly as generous. but still, that's, you hoe owe that's a chunk of change. you're not spending $1,400 that you ordinarily would have been spending. so that's quite a bit. ask that's one of the ways they are bringing people into the fold. so theoretically, a lot of those families didn't have insurance, and so now they will be able to buy it, because they're getting those subsidies. >> roland, tell me what we're missing here. how does this play out on the ground? >> again, i think what you have seen over the last several
years, when you have had a squeeze on city and county budgets, the first thing they always seem to cut had been the community health centers. and so congressman henry waxman on his energy and commerce website, they have a breakdown on what the impact is going to be by every congressional district. you're seeing money going to community health centers. but also, lez beth knows this, as well. these private entities, in terms of these 24-hour care facilities located in strip malls, we have seen an expansion of these facilities over the last several years. i think we're going to see even more free enterprise where you can go 24 hours, that frankly, will replace people going to the e.r., and also, if you don't choose a doctor, you can utilize these facilities, as well, and they'll accept it. and so, look, all the people are saying, well, if you expansion there, you're now seeing these folks and we might do very well. so it i think really closes the gap where cities have cut out of these various community centers. because if you can get people
checking blood pressure, if you can get them prescreened when it comes to breast cancer, other kinds of tests, that frankly clears the way out of these other areas where people need immediate help. >> good points to both of you. thank you very much. and we'll continue to discuss this. because i think we're into that stage where people really want brass tacks details. elizabeth and roland martin, great to see both of you. thank you for joining us. >> thanks. when we come back, tiger woods speaking out. find out what he said about his sex scandal and return to golf. when we come back.
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texas says he's the one who shouted "baby killer" during the floor debate yesterday. randy neugebauer says he cried "it's a baby killer." four more people have been arrested in the january massacre of 15 people at a house party in juarez. the case sparked outrage, because most of the victims were students with no ties to drug gangs. cutting out the middleman in the student loan system, that's happened last night. federally backed student loans would come straight from the government, saving an estimated $61 billion over ten years. senate takes that up in a few days. former president bill clinton and george w. bush due to arrive in haiti today. they'll discuss relief efforts after january's earthquake. the two are making the trip on behalf of the bush/clinton haiti fund. tiger woods fessing up saying he was living a lie and
he is the only one responsible for the sex scandal that trig r triggered his down fall. woods spoke out yesterday answering questions on espn for the first time since his car crash last november. >> i saw a person that i never thought i would ever become. >> who was that? >> well, i had gotten away from my core values as i said earlier. i had gotten away from my buddhism. i quit meditating, quit doing the things that my mom and dad taught me. and as i said earlier in my statement, i felt entitled and that's not how i was raised. >> why not seek treatment before all of this came out? is. >> i didn't know i was that bad. i didn't know i was that bad. >> how did you learn that? how did you learn? >> stripping away denial, rationalization. you strip all that away, and you find the truth. >> woods wouldn't go into detail about the november car crash that eventually sparked the rumors of his affair. he didn't specifically say what kind of treatment he is seeking. woods is set to return to golf
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is spring back? >> he said six weeks. >> six weeks now, right? >> my clock is saying seven. time to be over. people in oklahoma city don't think so with all that snow, though. oh, my gosh. now, we did cool down the red river flooding a little bit. >> good. >> the cooldown did help. >> we didn't crest at the levels of last year. >> a foot lower than expected. four feet lower than last year. >> great. >> and you have to think, when you get four feet of water and you spread it out over miles, it's a lot of pressure going in each direction. so at least that's finally done. there are still river flood warnings, don't get me wrong. yes, it didn't get above the sandbags -- >> but still very high. >> still way above the levees and permanent things out there. and fire and ice? >> tell me about this. dunch . >> did you hear about this? >> let's go off the radar. i have to understand, how there is a volume contain under ice. tell me about this. >> you know when they named iceland. you know why they named is iceland? >> because there was a lot of ice? >> no, because they didn't want anyone else to discover it? you know why they named it green
land? because it's covered with ice and they wanted people to look for it. so here is green land covered in ice, here is iceland and not. brecky and dick across the southern part. there is a volucano. >> and it's under a glacier. in a glacier. >> yes. but not caused by global warming. we're talking about it was a fairly dormant but now considered clearly active volca volcano. flights in and out of iceland were cancelled for a while, because you cannot fly in and out of volcanic ash. you know what happens to a jet plane's engine? it turns into a rock. would you like to have rocks in your engine? no. so do not fly. no jets fly through volcanic ash. >> is that a normal flight path up there? >> here is your -- you know. literally, you can be 100 miles below another, and you wouldn't be near the ash plume.
we'll keep watching it. they're expecting a much larger vom cannic eruption. now that it's split and the magma -- was it a show from -- magma. the magma was down below and now the lava is coming out. >> chad has got his eye on everything. a volcano in iceland. who would know? we're going to look cornell university. you probably heard about this. there is a trend toward a whole lot of suicides on campus at a university that prides it is itself on big very big on suici suicide prevention. stay with us.
cornell university, an ivy league school in beautiful upstate new york. no paradise right now. the president says the university is facing a crisis because of a series of recent student suicides. some of the brightest minds around are at a loss to explain it, especially since the campus has tried to be a model of suicide prevention. and as susan candiotti explains, mental health issues that can trigger suicides are affecting students across the country. >> reporter: it's a breath taking view from the bridges that mark the campus of cornell university. and it's from here into a gorge below that three students, according to a medical examiner, jumped to their deaths. authorities say all together, six students committed suicide
since last fall. what do the students think is behind this? >>. >> i think they're wondering. i think that's -- there's a sense that people don't know what's going on. >> reporter: no one at this prestigious ivy league school, nor mental health experts, can put their finger on it. least of all, parents of those who died. >> the nickname of the fraternity was smiles, and that's because no matter what bradley did or who he saw, he was continually smiling. >> bradley ginsberg, seen here at his showed no signs of stress and called home daily. they don't believe their son would have taken his life, and say police are still asking questions. >> nobody can believe that one of the happiest people that they knew would ever do anything like that. and that's what's hurting --
besides not having him, that's what's hurting me the most. >> reporter: last month, his body was found at this bottom of the gorge. >>is just, you know, my heart being torn apart every day. i'm sorry. >> reporter: do you feel like you're in a crisis right now? >> yes, we definitely are in a crisis. >> reporter: in the 1990s, cornell picked up the nickname, "suicide university," prompting a model suicide prevention program, where everyone from professors to janitors are taught to look for signs of trouble. but officials acknowledge something has gone wrong. >> there will be plenty of time to worry about our reputation later. what i'm worried about right now is the next student in distress. >> reporter: cornell is posting monitors at its bridges 24/7 for now, and plans to erect taller barricades as a deterrent. >> we're placing student support staff in libraries and outside classes where midterm exams are
occurring with signs that say do you need to talk. >> if you have a concern or feeling pain -- >> reporter: they're also using the internet and taking out full-page ads. students echo the president's message on a bridge. if you learn anything at cornell, learn to ask for help. but cornell isn't the whole school touched by a string of suicides. three university students reportedly committed suicide since last summer. at new york university, six students killed themselves during the 2003-2004 academic year. another last year. and at pittsburgh's carnegie melon, a student jumped to his death last summer. >> is stress to blame? >> stress is often part of it. most students have an underlying mental health problem, like depression. >> reporter: even though bradley ginsberg's parents are not convinced their son took his life, they want cornell to make sure parents of new students are aware of the dangers. >> at the beginning of the year,
talk about the possibility of people taking their lives right up front, but put it right on a front burner, as it is now. >> we're not going to let up at all. >> reporter: cornell is taking its cue from students. there's a message that the students have written. life is full of -- >> wonder. >> reporter: wonder. >> they're helping us to look forward, beyond very painful, horrifying period, toward the future. >> reporter: susan candiotti, ithaca, new york. >> we'll continue to follow that story as we learn more and we get more developments on understanding why these students at university campuses are taking their own lives. when we come back, the stimulus desk here at cnn continues to be hard at work. part of the stimulus is geared toward funding alternative energy. like wind turbines and hopefully creating more jobs. but critics say not enough of those jobs are being created here in the united states. we'll look at how authorities are trying to put more of an american face on alternative energy. called it "one of the best family cars of 2009."
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have been. so many more jobs created because of this. >> and a good end result. >> this was a good idea. >> long-term implications. part of this was wind energy. we can show you here, $2.1 billion has been used so far, we're told. now, the problem here that some are saying is right here. 80% of the grants going to overseas-owned companies. now, some senators up in this washington, some democrats are kind of in a fight with the white house right now, saying, hey, this ain't right. let's listen right now. we have chuck schumer, we'll let you listen to him and talk about it on the other side. >> in west texas, there is a $1.5 billion wind energy project, about to receive $450 million in stimulus grants, even though it's creating 3,000 jobs in china. and a fraction of those jobs, a few hundred, in the united states. >> all right. he's talking about a wind farm they're building in texas.
the problem, he says, the money they're going to get, so much of it is going to be used to pay for wind turbines actually built elsewhere. >> because we don't have a huge center. general electric, but not a huge industry doing that right now. >> not yet. but according to the company in texas saying, wait a minute, 70% of the money will be used for turbines in the u.s. they dispute his facts. now let's move on to another project in nevada right now. they are building a plant to build these actual turbines, okay? so they're going to create 1,000 jobs there, going to have this up and running by late 2010. even though this company is not getting direct stimulus money, saying 70% will be made right here in the u.s. so the dispute and the back and forth continues. but one thing before i let you go here on the 80% of the companies -- 80% of the foreign companies, some of those companies are actually doing business in the u.s. even though it's a company maybe based in china, they're still doing so much of their work here in the u.s. so it is going to, no doubt,
create some jobs here in the u.s. >> it's a tricky issue, because it sounded like a good deal. stimulus money for alternative energy, creating jobs. long-term implications. this is the interesting thing about the stimulus desk. now that you've come to visit us again. you learn these little interesting things. did you say tur-bins or turbines? >> i go with turbines. >> t. boone pickens says turbines. maybe it's a texas thing. good to see you. i used to come on your show and talk about business and now you come on my show and talk about business. pretty soon i'm going to be good looking and have hair like him. let's bring you up to speed. this hour, republican congressman from texas says he's the one who shouted "baby killer" during floor debate yesterday on the health care overall. randy neugebauer says he shouted
"it's a baby killer." referring to the bill itself. and not, he claims, the michigan democrat, bart stupak, speaking at the time. he also says the timing and tone of his comments were inappropriate, and he apologizes to his colleagues. pope benedict is apologizing to irish catholics for molestation and abuse by irish priests and bishops. but in a letter raed read over the weekend, the pope didn't mention the scandals elsewhere, including germany. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is meeting with secretary of state clinton, biden and the public affairs committee, and that's just today. tomorrow he meets with president obama at the white house. relations are strained, as you may know, over netanyahu's insistencenn on big new jewish housing in jerusalem. ed henry, stuff going on in
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♪ >> normally, you tune in every day, you see our senior white house correspondent ed henry in a different light than you normally see him here on the ed henry segment. right now, this is ed presenting to the front of the class. he's there with the rest of class in the briefing room. they're about to get a briefing, an important one. >> do the live shot, too. the rest of the class is going to join the live shot. >> tell us what's going on. why are you there with everybody? >> robert gibbs will have his first big briefing since last night. so a lot of questions about how they're going to implement this, what they're expecting from the senate. and maybe talking about what went on last night. he came out to the east room, as you remember, to talk about this, and really played up the
history-making nature of it. not shy, pretty bold about saying, look, this is the picture of change. we have not heard him speak of that directly, because it was all hypothetical, and that's why it was such a big moment for this white house. >> and you were there last night. the president came to speech, you were in the east room, a little different than the digs you're in right now. >> yeah. sunday evening, about 11 -- gosh, 11:40 p.m. or so on a sunday night, pretty rare to be here at the white house at all, to be in the east room for a historic moment, that was interesting. but i'm told it was a better moment later on when the president invited some of his staffers up past midnight to the truman balcony, one of the coolest spots, this direct view, on the south side of the white house. so it overlooks the south lawn, has a direct view of the jefferson memorial, washington monument, a lot of press have been out there before, smoking a cigar -- sort of a cigar bar for some, i guess, maybe not for this president. but he had his aides out there, drinking we're told, some adult
beverages, as well as some nonadult beverages, letting off some steam. let's face it, this was a long slog for them, 14 months. a lot of people were predicting a couple weeks ago it would never happen, so i think they're pretty pumped about it. >> i know you have to go when robert gibbs gets there. we were looking at that shot of the room there, no one is paying any attention to you. do they not know you're on national tv right now? >> i don't think they care what i have to say, howard fineman is here, david jackson, "usa today," they're getting their questions ready, and i maybe they're not into the ed henry segment. >> that would be crazy and inappropriate. are other people doing reports right now? is this common? can you -- >> some people -- sometimes we have reports going on on other networks we won't name. and it's sort of funny, because you're trying to keep your train of thought, chuck todd shouting in your ear a few feet away. and that's always funny. it's bigger at prime time news conferences when the president is about to walk out and you're only allowed to do this live shot in the two-minute window
before he comes in. always sort of peeking over your shoulder more than anything. trying to keep your concentration when the other correspondents shouting. but god forbid the president were to sneak out in the east room, say, and get in there, and you're blabbing with wolf or anderson or whoever, and the president sort of like -- let's get going, ed, should up. that would be pretty awkward. but i have to tell you, we're also wondering, this is one of those days where the president has nothing on his schedule, publicly, at least. has a lot of stuff meetings, met with secretary of state hill decree lynn ton this afternoon. and so we're wondering if maybe he'll poke his head in. this is the kind of day where he might want to take auto couple questions. >> let me ask you this. is the mood different since last night? what did it feel like? was it palpably june lent, ex how fasted? >> i think it was exhausted. there was a still photo the white house put out of the moment when the house finally passed the senate bill, so the president could sign that into law tomorrow, and it was in the roosevelt room, just steps from
the oval office, and you saw the president sort of excited, but he wasn't -- they're being really careful, frankly, not to look like they're dancing in the end zone just yet. they've still got some work to do in the senate, first of all, and second of all, you heard the president last night talk about how this is a victory for the american people, not for any one political party. they're walking that fine line, because let's face it, between now and november, the president will cast this as a victory for democrats, when they're saying that ow now or not. but they want to be careful and make sure they're calibrating this right, saying this is about individuals, small businesses. he's not going to be out there pumping his fist every day, saying i told you so. >> while you were here in atlanta, listening to the president speak, and in and around that week, there was a shift in the calibration. they realized they were going to get some traction if they made this about the insurance companies and about people who were already in insured who thought, i don't want health care, because i'm already insured. and when they sort of sold the idea that it was going to be higher premiums even if you already had insurance, that seemed to gain them some traction. >> and is they were really helped, you're right n that
window, around the time in late january when scott brown was legislated in massachusetts and they lost the super majority, a lot of people were predicting they couldn't get this done. between january 20th and last night, frankly, the other big thing that happened that you sort of alluded to is you had had companies like anthem blue cross in california saying they were going to raise premiums up to 39%. and that gave the president terrific talking point from his political perspective to say without any reform, these companies may keep driving up the premiums. so that played right into his wheel house. >> ed, i was going to keep you talking to see how you would handle it when robert gibbs came out, but robert gibbs is not on our schedule, apparently. >> it's too bad, because it would have been fun to have him join the segment. but he probably would have been dog and we would have felt awkward. >> we'll check in again. ed henry on the ed henry segment, presenting his segment today in front of the entire class. we'll be checking in with him momentarily when robert gibbs comes out for his briefing. the showdown between google
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>> prescription drugs, if they happen to fall into what's commonly known as the doughnut hole in medicare part d. >> this is going to be the one health care event he does outside of washington? are we going to be doing a series of events outs of washington, outside of this bill? >> the president has a very busy schedule coming up on a whole host of issues. i assume the president will talk about health care for -- for a long time. but the president has, over the course of the past many weeks, even as the legislative agenda has been focused on getting health care done, which we did last night, the president has also, as i think you'll see over the next weeks, been working on a number of other issues that are at the forefront, and we'll have an opportunity to talk about. >> finally, a lot of democrats switched their votes and politically dangerous votes for themselves, frankly, to support this bill. what kind of support are those
democrats in the house going to be receiving? >> i think there is no doubt, and i don't have a political schedule in front of me. i have no doubt that we'll be on the road extensively in the fall, as it relates to health care reform. and as it relates to helping those that supported health care last night, and supporting democrats, even some that didn't. >> did you announce when the bill signing is? >> it's likely to be sometime tomorrow. i don't -- they're still working out some of the logistics in terms of timing. i would plan, as of right now, for a late-morning bill signing, weather-permitting outside probably on the south lawn. as of the last sort of update i got, it would be lodges logistically tough to go off campus, and if the weather
doesn't cooperate, logistically difficult. i think each and every member of the house and senate that supported health care reform will be invited. i expect that many of them will attend. i also believe that the president will have with him many of the stories that he has given life to over the course of the last year to help demonstrate exactly why the president did what he did for so long. and who this impacts the most. >> robert, two questions. one on health care, and one on foreign policy question. what's the white house's reaction to the states that have threatened to sue over this legislation? is that something the team is taking seriously? >> i heard nancy talking a little bit about in this morning on television. my sense is that a lot of big pieces of legislation are challenged in some ways. of we certainly have -- you have
seen the intent of some to do -- to challenge this legislation on grounds we don't think will be very successful. >> you don't think their suits will be very successful. >> we don't. >> and is there any kind of a plan or reaction to deal with that? >> i assume there will be many things that we will deal with in the coming weeks, months and years ahead, as health care reform is implemented. but i think that, you know, some of the -- some of the states and some of the players might end up being kind of curious. but i -- again, i think a pretty long-standing precedent on the constitutionality of this. >> my second question is on google and china. if google does decide to pull out of china, what effect would that have on u.s./chinese relations? >> let me not get ahead of
something. we'll have a chance to discuss ma maybe later on. look, i think that maybe you heard the president enuns ate quite clearly in china a policy and a belief that open government and the ability to communicate among people without the censorship of government is tremendously important. so it may be, as there are in some issues, that we, in a mature, diplomatic relationship, have disagreements. but i don't want to get ahead of something. >> the administration and what it's doing? >> i don't know what the latest is this morning on that. >> on thursday, you guys are going to iowa -- the president is going to talk about health care reform, and i know you recall 2007 when the president,
then senator was there. he introduced his health care proposal. if you look at what he announced in 2007 and what is law or will be law as of tomorrow, there are a lot of similarities. but there are also a lot of striking differences in terms of, you know, whether or not there's universal coverage, whether or not every individual family -- family premiums will go down $2,500. is this just what happens when ideals meet the pragmatic politics, or why are there such differences between what the president proposed two years ago? >> look, jake. of obviously what you propose and what goes to the system sometimes changes. the promise the president lady laid out in 2007 and talked about even before laying out a specific policy was that we should not,